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Last week's question:
The Massena Drug Free Coalition recently issued 120 drug test kits to the Massena Central School District as part of the “Trust But Verify” initiative to promote drug abuse prevention and intervention. The kits are available to parents who wish to test their children at Rose Hill Treatment Center, the county probation office, the police department, or at the school nurses’ offices. Do you think it is appropriate for parents to drug test their children?
66.7% -- Yes
17.3% -- No
14.6% -- It depends
1.4% -- Unsure
Total responses: 294
Total comments: 113
Here are your comments:
Trust but Verify? Huh? That's not trust - no communication and one step shy of complete police state. Open your eyes and pay attention! Learn the signs of drug abuse and open the lines of communication if you want to keep your children drug-free for life! Can just imagine now what happens when the cops target those kids that show positive results. Ruin your kids’ lives rather than talk to them and be a parent?
12/9/2013 8:48 AM
12/9/2013 8:46 AM
If you talk to your children enough you would know if you have to have them take a test than your not a very smart parent
12/9/2013 8:14 AM
Are parents prepared to know the answer with a constructive action plan if it turns out the result is positive? How accurate are these home test kits? Are there going to be false positives? There must be a Plan B in place before this can of worms gets opened.
12/9/2013 7:23 AM
If they're under 18, residing in their parents home and the parent has reason to suspect something .. then yes.
12/9/2013 7:17 AM
If parents would spend more time with there children praying, reading the bible, getting acquainted, etc, and perhaps, less money the drug problem trust between parent and child would be the norm.
12/8/2013 10:38 PM
Many parents may be surprised of the results!
12/8/2013 11:57 AM
Yes if they believe something is wrong and the child is not acting right. If we can help our children while they are young, they would have a better chance as a grown up.
12/8/2013 7:41 AM
I think they are just going to cause more problems for the families that use them.
12/8/2013 6:31 AM
Kids will be kids. Soon as the state legalizes weed we can put all this drug nonsense behind us.
12/8/2013 4:24 AM
I think that it is appropriate to drug test the children as long as the children get to drug test their parents.
12/7/2013 5:36 PM
If they have a reason
12/7/2013 3:27 PM
Yes, until they are out on their own, the parents need to be a parent, especially when drug use is suspected. That is loving your child.
12/7/2013 3:04 PM
and no child should have a Twitter or Facebook account that is locked to keep parents and teachers out!
12/7/2013 10:09 AM
Truthfully -- The most likely of students to abuse drugs are children to parents who don't care about them.
12/7/2013 8:43 AM
Test, yes but only in the likely hood the 'youth' has a history of non-compliance with a program.
12/7/2013 7:54 AM
if not parents then who? They are the first line of defense against drugs. I wish I would have had this available to me.
12/7/2013 12:46 AM
this will make all party's safe and steps may be taken to help all individuals. Plus law enforcement may catch the dealers.
12/6/2013 11:23 PM
If you don't know then your blind! Or you don't want to know...
12/6/2013 10:15 PM
Massena High School is full of drugs. I see why there are many homes there for sale. Drugs, guns, alcohol, sex........kids rule.
12/6/2013 9:33 PM
I think if children are acting different than their usual self, getting bad grades when they usually get good grades, getting in trouble when usually they are rule followers, stealing, etc. Maybe drugs are the reason and should be checked to be sure.
12/6/2013 4:07 PM
good parenting skills should lead to parents knowing if their child is on drugs or not
12/6/2013 12:50 AM
Without probable cause, it's a violation of the children's 4th Amendment protection. Anybody who does it is a traitor to this country, and should be treated as such.
12/6/2013 11:39 AM
i believe that anything whatsoever to help your child flight straight and narrow should be done.children hadve tremendouse pressure placed on them everyday and they need as much helo and good advice as is available to them.
12/6/2013 9:25 AM
There is a drug problem in this county and we need to start getting them help before they to far gone. The next thing the county needs is more treatment facilities for people trying to kick the drug habit. There are no doctors here to help they have to drive 3+ hrs to find doctors to help them. So...this needs to be address not just throwing people in jail with no rehabilitation.
12/6/2013 7:47 AM
"trust but verify" ? you ether trust or you don't. stop sugar coating it! be a responsible parent trust them til they show some reason not to then get some help! for both kid & parent. take a test what are the consequences first!
12/6/2013 6:57 AM
I'm not sure I like the name "Trust But Verify." Obviously if you're testing, you're not trusting. However, I do believe parents have the right to know what their children are doing. If the parents are providing for their children and are legally responsible for them, then the parents have the right to test their children for drugs, especially if they have good reason to suspect something is going on. One of the most important decisions any person can make is who to keep as friends. The friends and company you keep often will make the difference between a successful life where you meet your goals and expectations or a life of constant drama, stress, poverty and regret. Parents need to make sure their children have good friends.
12/5/2013 8:43 PM
Isn't this the job of the NSA? Or are parents just collecting data for them?
12/5/2013 6:50 PM
What then. Kick him out of school and end up like everyone else in massena.
12/5/2013 5:19 PM
I can see testing someone who is known to have a drug habit, but think forcing a child who is not a known drug user to under go home drug testing seems to be totalitarian. According to our laws, a person is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. Don`t let us become a society where you are presumed to be guilty unless you can prove your innocence!
12/5/2013 3:27 PM
I certainly would, and have drug tested my children. I wouldn't even think about conducting a drug test in any of the facilities mentioned; but in the privacy of our home is another matter. This is another excuse for the authorities to compile even more information about us and our families. Once these bastards have any inkling about this it goes into their files and never goes away.
12/5/2013 2:35 PM
Most places test for drugs, I have to be tested for work,
12/5/2013 2:31 PM
I don't think it's necessary for every parent to test their kids but it's not inappropriate. If a kid has a drug problem the parents should be the first to know.
12/5/2013 1:43 PM
In God we trust, but no one else not even our children! For heaven’s sake what have we come to? I am not really sure, but I do remember my parents asking similar questions. No not about drugs, but “the kids now days (i.e. 1960 circa) have little respect for any one or each other, what is this society coming to?”! It has only gotten worse, & now I am saying what my parents used to say, "what is this society coming to?” I cannot and shall not argue the point of parental drug testing, but I can say if you had a good family environment and values you wouldn't be considering drug testing your child!
12/5/2013 12:05 AM
Naming the initiative "Trust But Verify" is unfortunate. Call a spade a spade. Name it "Trust or Verify" or better yet, the "Assume The Punk Is Lying" program. Tired of politically correct over-parenting.
12/5/2013 11:55 AM
It is absolutely okay! If parents check something as seemingly insignificant as their children's homework, they should certainly monitor possible drug use because the stakes are so much higher. Better to have a child upset by a perceived invasion of privacy than to suffer the loss of that child caused by drug use.
12/5/2013 8:29 AM
It Depends....If you love them and have reason to believe they may be in trouble or headed that way, by all means. Doesn't mean you can stop them but it does give them a chance to accept help if they are ready for help and afraid to ask. Tough love is difficult for all concerned.
12/5/2013 7:57 AM
Parents also need to start being parents. Know where your children are and what they are doing. Consequences need to be applied for bad behavior.
12/5/2013 7:34 AM
If there are signs of drug use, yes. Also, if the child consents, yes. If there is no indication of drug use no. You could ruin the trust between the parties.
12/5/2013 7:18 AM
If it means helping their own child then it is none of my business to judge them or tell them what is right or wrong. It isn't harming the kids. And it isn't about the kids privacy, they are a kid, its about a parent protecting their child.
12/5/2013 6:53 AM
Yup, if you suspect your child is using its called being a parent not a friend. People I think forget that teenagers still need guidance, its a balancing act for sure with their desire for independence but to allow a trainwreck like drug usage go unchecked is doing your child no favor.
12/5/2013 6:02 AM
If they been trouble before, yes . Or have evidence they are , yes. Then follow up with a rehab program or getting help.
12/5/2013 12:26 AM
Could help stop a potential problem
12/4/2013 7:15 PM
better to catch that problem early at home . do they have tools available for the parents if its positive ?
12/4/2013 6:57 PM
It's a chance for kids to show their parents they are clean. And if not, what their futures might look like. Unfortunately, I wouldn't expect it to have much support
12/4/2013 6:33 PM
Absolutely yes ! I believe this may be one of the last line of defense a parent has for their child.
12/4/2013 2:16 PM
12/4/2013 12:57 AM
If the parents were doing there job as good as a parent should it wouldn't be necessary. But since there are so many idiots raising kids than yes I guess its necessary . It won’t do much good because the parents are still going to be idiots who don't know how to raise a kid the right way. Poor kids don't have a chance.
12/4/2013 11:51 AM
Parents need to be involved with their kids and keep a open mind with their kids,my kids felt comfortable enough to come and talk to us.And i can say my kids dont do drugs or smoke now and then they will have a beer on special occasions.My husband and I always talked to our kids about drugs,smoking and alcohol.
12/4/2013 10:29 AM
No harm no foul. If you don't use drugs you have nothing to worry about.
12/4/2013 10:02 AM
Let me tell you a story: My son was 17 and doing drugs and I had no idea............Now parents have both information and a tool to save their child possibly from much worse choices in life. Don't assume your child is not doing drugs because you raised them so well. So did I. Don't assume they would never do that to you because they will and they can and they do. If you have the availability to get help for your kids don't worry about making them mad or "not trusting" them. You are the parent. It is your job to make them mad and hopefully push them into the right direction and out the door to make it on their own in this big tough world.
12/4/2013 9:49 AM
Parents need to keep in mind that they had life learning experiences when they were young. They needs to be some room for kids to learn to make the right choses without someone telling them what to do all of the time.
12/4/2013 8:45 AM
With all the crime in Massena, Just put a fence around the whole town and we will call it a day.
12/4/2013 8:44 AM
this would be a family matter not school matter or a cop matter. Let us do are jobs and stay out of our homes......
12/4/2013 8:31 AM
Stop it now before it gets out of control and bigger problems arise
12/4/2013 8:29 AM
In general it probably isn't necessary but I can definitely see situations where parents are concerned about their kids and would choose to do a drug test.
12/4/2013 7:53 AM
Sooner you know the faster you can get them into treatment.
12/3/2013 9:29 PM
Better their parents now than the court system later..
12/3/2013 8:02 PM
How else can they help there children if they don`t know?
12/3/2013 6:47 PM
I expect that the children should be drug testing their parents.
12/3/2013 4:56 PM
Hide nothing if you have nothing to hide. I can hear them now" you don't trust me". That's right, I don't.
12/3/2013 4:25 PM
It's the parent's choice. Dumb survey question.
12/3/2013 1:45 PM
Absolutely. If children are living under their parents' roofs, then they have to follow rules and if that means drug testing (if parents suspect it), so be it!
12/3/2013 1:37 PM
If it come to this radical point of "spontaneous testing" your child , then you failed as a parent when the " impairment issues" first surfaced and chose to do nothing " ! The feeling of "trust and confidence" would be literally gone from your child . This would be the same anology as handing a pregnancy test to your daughter when she came after dates or giving your kids a ""breatherizer " when they came home an hour after they should have ! Schools should stick with educating our kids with the needed tools for future jobs and leave the medical issues to the health professionals ! When parents have uncertainty issues then they should rely on their doctor to become involved . If schools have such a surplus of "kits" then why not use to to drug screen their staff and or new applicants . Another brainstorm would be to "donate " to the welfare dept to peridically assess for elegibility benefits..."duly as radical" . When "Parents start acting as real parents" then family values will re-surface !
12/3/2013 1:25 PM
12/3/2013 11:53 AM
If you suspect your child is using drugs it is appropriate. You will have more control over getting your child help before he turns into another adult user.
12/3/2013 11:50 AM
When you say "children" I think 2nd graders and the like. If you're asking if it's appropriate to "drug test" our 15 year old because we think they may be lying to us? Many of these drugs that these kids are taking are manufactured by major pharmaceutical corporations and prescribed to the children's parents and other adults in the community. Bring my 14 year old to the police department to be tested? And then what? If I suspect they're lying (about anything) I prefer not to haul them to the police to be tested. The problem is the parenting, not the children. No, I think you should test the minds of the parents instead.
12/3/2013 11:36 AM
Having 5-7 family dinner together and talking to your child before they begin experimenting is better!
12/3/2013 10:19 AM
Drug testing should also be done for any job.
12/3/2013 9:16 AM
12/3/2013 8:19 AM
Definitely test them. There is no future for drug addicts !
12/3/2013 8:14 AM
Appropriate? Yes....Should the schools be doing some drug testing? Yes..
12/3/2013 8:07 AM
With todays society and there is no parent at home due to both working to supervise children when home from school, this appropriate as children are easily influenced .
12/3/2013 8:00 AM
If you think your child is on drugs -- take them to a Dr. or other facility that is equipped for both testing and counseling, etc. if the test is positive.
12/3/2013 7:28 AM
Yes, for parents to test their childen. I also think teachers should be randomly tested.
12/3/2013 6:53 AM
What a waste of time and money.
12/2/2013 11:51 PM
Good luck with that one.
12/2/2013 10:33 PM
Parents should take more responsibility for their kids instead of blaming teachers and schools. Drug test the little brats and make them do their homework.
12/2/2013 9:27 PM
Trust But Verify is our policy with disinterested nations, not our children.
12/2/2013 8:13 PM
Erodes trust, children cannot earn trust, if they are not trusted to begin with. Me, I try to trust, until given reason not to trust.
12/2/2013 8:02 PM
yes, but as some parents will discover, Family Court will tell you, you do not have the right to invade their privacey. Isn't that a crock?
12/2/2013 8:00 PM
if the law holds the parent responsible for the actions of the child and they are at home, if supisions are valid, test away, but follow up. this could be lopsided if there is no follow up, in other words, all threat no action.
12/2/2013 6:54 PM
Yes by all means. Just chalk this up as another mean to guide their children, just as in the beginning at Day 1. Don't allow your children to sway you to thinking you are being intrusive into their lives, The rule is: it is ok for your children to hate you sometimes.
12/2/2013 6:16 PM
definitely......prove to us your not, drugs are rampant
12/2/2013 6:14 PM
Every single school student over the age of 6 should be tested for drugs at least twice per year.
12/2/2013 6:06 PM
If that child lives under the roof of the parent, and depends on that parent for food and everything else, then yes that parent should be allowed to drug test them.
12/2/2013 6:05 PM
It is necessary now to keep them safe!
12/2/2013 5:27 PM
Yes. It's easy to overlook all the signs that kids are using illegal substances. The drug test kits create an opportunity for parents and kids to open a frank dialogue as well as to demonstrate that parents really do care.
12/2/2013 5:22 PM
If they don't have a strong enough relationship with their children to be able to ask them if they are doing drugs or not and can't trust their answers then maybe they should and make sure the kids don't trust them as parents.
12/2/2013 5:15 PM
Years of bad parenting, economic collapse, and failed community leadership won't be fixed with band-aid measures like drug testing kids. Just another sign of the decline and fall of Massena.
12/2/2013 3:30 PM
In the privacy of their homes. Not with a third party present
12/2/2013 3:09 PM
I'm not sure how you top your self's every week with dumb questions............
12/2/2013 3:05 PM
If you suspect they are using, way not.
12/2/2013 3:01 PM
We have the right as parents to know what our children are doing! They are children after all. If they get into a bad habit at a young age it is our duty as parents to help break these habits!
12/2/2013 2:37 PM
It depends on the child's personality and typical behaviors, and the parent's personality. Without a doubt, some children should be tested when a parent has cause for concern. However, for some children being tested by parents is not appropriate and could create issues, for at times even negative results will damage relationships. I have noticed that some parents' actions are not based on their children's behavior, but on what the parent did as a child and teenager.
12/2/2013 2:31 PM
it depends, will the kids be punished for it? if the kits are being used to get parents to snitch on their kids then its a bad idea, if there will be imunity from prosecution the testing will be useful in taking preventative measures and drug treatment early. although given the north country any kids on drugs probably got them from their parents stash anyway.
12/2/2013 1:08 PM
Absolutely. If you have a child who may be in danger of using drugs it's a parent's responsibility to do everything they can to know what the situation is and do whatever they can to correct it. If a child is doing drugs they aren't likely to tell their parents, so unless they're dumb enough to leave evidence laying around then the best way to tell is a drug test.
12/2/2013 1:05 PM
As a parent you should test if you think there is a problem, with that said I think there are some parents out there that need testing also. All people applying for public assistance should be tested, just like us working people are when applying for a job. A lot of this starts at home.
12/2/2013 1:01 PM
If not the parents, who? It's about time parents stepped up and got into the role of parenting.
12/2/2013 12:46 AM
Just keep a kit in your refrigerator! everytime your child opens that door he will have a reminder. It could save your childs life! Is that appropriate?
12/2/2013 12:45 AM
Where does the word "trust" come in?
12/2/2013 12:33 AM
Yes! Kick their butt and get them the help they need too!
12/2/2013 12:13 AM
If a parent feels the need to test their child I'd think they already know and as a parent they have failed! How do you think this would make a non-user feel when the parent showed lack of faith and trust in them?
12/2/2013 12:12 AM
If you are paying attention to your children at all you will notice changes in their behavior, that is the time to have a sit down discussion with them and find out what is causing the change in them. If after this discussion you suspect that drugs are involved for their wellbeing I would want them tested for drugs. I thing this is only true of school age children as you cannot compel adults to be drug tested.
12/2/2013 12:09 AM
We must remember, these kids think they have all the rights in the world......guess what, they don't. As a parent, if you think your kid is up to no good when it comes to drugs, sure, test them!
12/2/2013 12:06 AM
Absolutly! parents need to get more involved in their childrens' lives!
12/2/2013 12:02 AM
Why not.....if they don't do drugs then nothing to worry about.
12/2/2013 11:28 AM
Same as testing them for anything else. They are our responsibility until 18 or 21, whatever it is in NY.
12/2/2013 11:18 AM
Parents are responsible for their children's actions and choices, so, yes, they should be able to drug test their own children. The concern is whether these test results remain private, within the family, or part of the child's school record. What kind of follow up is available to the family when a child tests positive for drugs? Where is the drug enforcement to prevent our kids having the ready-access to drugs they currently have in school and on the playgrounds? As with most parents, those who care the most are the parents whose kids need it the least.
12/2/2013 10:54 AM
In this day and age, yes! Maybe more intervention from the parents can halt drug use that usually leads to more serious events.
12/2/2013 10:23 AM