THIS WEEK'S QUESTION:
Changes in the administration of the STAR Tax exemption have reportedly caused problems for people who had to pay taxes up front, then wait for reimbursements from the state which have been delayed. The star exemption provides a significant savings in school taxes for property owners. In the wake of the problems Assemblywoman Addie Jenne has called for the state to revert to the former system in which the exemption was taken off the amount owed.
Do you agree with Jenne’s proposal?
Results will be posted March 6.
LAST WEEK'S QUESTION:
An outdoor guide who came under fire for allowing hunting dogs to run where property owners don’t want them says reducing the coyote population in St. Lawrence County is important, even if people are irritated when dogs run on their land. The Department of Conservation allows dogs released on land where they have permission to hunt to legally cross onto other property where they are not wanted. But, the dog owner could be charged with trespassing if it is “foreseeable” that the dogs would go where they are not wanted, a DEC spokesman said.
Do you agree with the DEC law?
56.6% -- No
35.9% -- Yes
7.7% -- Unsure
Total Responses: 362
Here are your comments:
This is not a "law." Under both the federal and state constitution(s), only congress or state legislatures can make laws. These are "rules" or "regulations" imposed by non-elected staffers, and as such, can never trump laws.
Feb. 27 9:25 a.m.
I think wording this "Law" the way it is simply allows the DEC to have a little wiggle room when addressing this issue and the conflicts that could potentially arise from hunting dogs running over onto private lands. I have friends who hunt this way and they go to all the surrounding land owners and ask permission for their dogs to move freely across their lands. Some simply say " NO," and they avoid working their dogs that way. They also have collars that will stop them when they move in those directions. But occasionally dogs will go where their nose leads them and there in lays the problem. I think if a private property is properly posted and the owner does not want anyone trespassing on them, the trespasser will be issued a citation and not even the DEC can avoid issuing one and the land owner would be well within his rights to have them arrested. Personally, I think anyone who is that adamant about someone's dog or dogs running across their property in pursuit of legal game is trying to avoid illegal activities of their own.
Feb. 27 8:56 a.m.
If you have a dog, take care of it and keep it on your own property. Dogs running wild on other people's property are up to no good and how will a dog reduce the coyote population?
Feb. 27 8:12 a.m.
Run puppy run... just not on my land.
Feb. 27 7:31 a.m.
DEC has in essence created an "eminent domain" situation which is far beyond their scope of jurisdiction. Any law that allows private citizens to trespass and make land owners anxious is a bad law. Who voted for the coyote hunter anyway? Is he on the DEC payroll? Does he carry official identification?
Feb. 27 6:11 a.m.
I have never heard of anyone being charged with trespassing when they let their dogs, hunting or otherwise, loose on someone else's land. Let's face it, the case in question is a "hunter" just being a jerk and letting his dogs loose where he knows they will run through this person's yard. I wonder who's buddy or relative he is.
Feb. 27 12:03 a.m.
It is my land, my animals that get harrassed, my rights violated by these dogs and the person sending thses dogs out. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Feb. 26 6:13 p.m.
DEC should have these people crawling around on their property. I have had wood fence rail, tree stands, firewood stolen off my land. I want no one on my property! Common courtesy to ask permission first. Posted signs mean nothing to some people. I pay the taxes and you want to reap off my land for free. Take you and your dogs somewhere else, please and thank you.
Feb. 26 4:32 p.m.
Questions arise, is the farmer dragging his dead cattle and calves out back to feed the coyotes, or is the guide baiting the coyotes near him? Does the farmer get kill permits for the deer and gut shoot them so the coyotes constantly go there. Something is drawing the coyotes there and this ding dong guide is taking advantage of it. The farmer states he's afraid the hounds will attack his daughter, yet he whistles up the dog to remove the collar. one or both of them is full of crap. The guide has been known to bend the rules so he can profit by them. He bumped heads with the DEC on taking illegal deer. I think they should suspend his guide license and do some serious investigating on the farmer.
Feb. 26 3:10 p.m.
When dog owners start contributing toward my property taxes, fence maintenance, etc. then I have no problem letting their hound dogs run on my property .
Feb. 26 11:49 a.m.
Dogs should not be allowed to roam onto another's property. They should be under the control of the owner at all times.
Feb. 26 11:19 a.m.
How can a person know or control where a coyote, or a dog will run when let loose.
Feb. 26 9:23 a.m.
Mr. Babbitt and his dogs are doing a great service to the farmers and hunters of St. Lawrence county. Keep up the good work Joe.
Feb. 26 9:09 a.m.
I think it is good for dogs to run anyway and if they are keeping the population of unwanted animals, so be it.
Feb. 26 8:44 a.m.
I have shot every loose dog I've seen on my property over the years -- its the right thing to do for the deer.
Feb. 26 3:45 a.m.
Unsure because the question is posed in an way that is not completed understandable. But my thoughts are, if property owners have issues with coyotes, they can call animal control, or the DEC. Otherwise, I would think public property is fair game. If people can not keep their hunting dogs under command/control, that's the owners problem.
Feb. 26 3:29 a.m.
Why would a land owner want someone else's dogs on his land. If the DEC wants to help control the coyote problem they created put a bounty on them and trappers would trap. I didn't pay for my property for someone else to hunt.
Feb. 25 9:34 p.m.
Dogs running loose on another person's private property should be subject to whatever action the property owner chooses to take.
Feb. 25 6:42 p.m.
If the hunters or DEC officials realize the dogs will most likely go onto land they aren't wanted on, the hunters should be charged. I've had coyote hunters on my land that they previously asked to hunt and I wouldn't allow them to. They then go on nearby land, release their dogs and drive them across my property to another parcel to shoot the coyotes the dogs are chasing. Deer and other wildlife are also disturbed and driven off my property as well. I'm also in the process of fencing it for cattle pasture and do not want my pregnant cattle running from a pack of hunting dogs.
Feb. 25 5:50 p.m.
You own the property not the wildlife. You prevent all your coyotes from coming on my property and killing my deer. Get it, you don't control the wildlife on my property and neither do I. Sorry it's not going to happen. I kill every legal coyote I see for the benefit of other wildlife.
Feb. 25 5:23 p.m.
This was a ridiculous article. No one even asked a coyote conservation expert if there was a coyote problem. The man who makes money from their pelts was full of hyperbole about coyotes’ ferocity and even went too far to say they might kill a child. Why wouldn't the reporter check those statements? This man has no conservation credentials. He only has his financial interests at stake. Coyotes will not overpopulate an area. They move on if there is no natural habitat or food. We purchased our land and pay taxes on our property and no one should be allowed to access our property in any way without our permission. Did you know they shoot the coyotes from the road? Their bullets can have trajectories towards our property. What if we are out in the path of a bullet? Shouldn't we be able to be anywhere on our property we want to be? We have had them let their dogs on our property without asking permission. They sit in their trucks along our road. Unacceptable. We have no problem with hunting and are game hunters. We do have a problem with this. NCN, do a better job if you want to be considered a valid news site. Fully cover a story. Ask questions. Who stands to gain in this situation?
Feb. 25 4:31 p.m.
They're dogs, doing a job, leave them alone and they won't bother you. Interfere with their chase and the blame is on you.
Feb. 25 3:01 p.m.
There seems to be some contrived "by laws" since living on a family farm for 40 years, I would like to have reviewed. First and foremost, I was not aware that the DEC having any legal innate power to give privileges to any "trespasser" be it snowmobilers, ATV vehicles or hunting and fishing entitlement on any property and land that is not state owned or controlled. Another issue my country neighbors, all having 100+ acres and avid sportsmen all our life comes to mind, is, "why would any intelligent hunter ever want to take his pedigreed hunting dog out to chase one of the most deadly rabid animals in the woods for sport, since one bite or scratch on their dog would needlessly by law be quarenteed, suffering, and confined with an extremely large insurmountable vet expense?” Isn't it a head-scratcher that my neighbors and I have put up many NO Trespassing Signs all over our properties all our life but none of them have a little addendum on the bottom that says (only if DEC gives permission)? We have an older gentleman down the road who has only one sign on his property line that has written on it "GET OFF MY LAWN...... hmmmm or meet my lil' friend." I asked him over coffee one time why he has only one sign and his reply was "ya know its funny but it's all I've ever needed."
Feb. 25 12:41 p.m.
I don't need or want someone else's dogs running on my property and getting in with my livestock and pets. Too many hunters around here ignore private property and think they and their dogs can go wherever they want.
Feb. 25 12:02 p.m.
It's a complicated issue. The DEC is trying to do the right thing by controlling the coyote population, but at the same time it can be scary when there are unknown dogs running on your property especially if someone has a fear of dogs, or if they have children playing outside, outside cats, etc. I feel the DEC should be extremely careful with keeping the dogs where they should be but should not be charged with trespassing. We have lived in three states and have had careless neighbors who let their dogs (some have been aggressive) run into our yard, and we have never pressed charges. I didn't even think that was an option and even if it was, I wouldn't have. We called animal control, and nothing was ever really done. Unless they can come out when the dog is in our yard, it was kind of pointless. At my current house, I talked to the dog owner, and it seemed to have helped the issue. I don't think charges need to be pressed.
Feb. 25 10:46 a.m.
Feb. 25 9:06 a.m.
I'm out in my woods daily. I hunt, cut firewood, I take my dogs out there for exercise. I shouldn't have to worry about hunting dogs running up on my dogs. My dogs would see them as threat and defend me. Who is responsible then? Even on a runner or a leash there is chance for an altercation between the dogs and I will defend my dogs. I’m capable of hunting coyotes myself and they can stay off my land.
Feb. 25 7:20 a.m.
More than welcome if he can get rid of coyotes.
Feb. 24 8:26 p.m.
Yes, it is also foreseeable when dogs have repeatedly gone on someone's land numerous times before. This guy gives hunters a bad name. Can't say last time or if ever I had a problem with a coyote.
Feb. 24 7:52 p.m.
BS call. Silly out.
Feb. 24 6:54 p.m.
It is always foreseeable that they may trespass where property lines are nearby, especially if posted.
Feb. 24 6:01 p.m.
Dogs should not be allowed anywhere they are not welcome and should be always under the control of the owner.
Feb. 24 5:03 p.m.
You can not control a dogs path, though some seem to think you can.
Feb. 24 2:09 p.m.
Leave the beagles alone.
Feb. 24 12:41 p.m.
Can the dogs go on land unwanted or not. DEC seems pretty wishy washy. I think that guide is arrogant and intentionally aggravated the land owner.
Feb. 24 12:10 p.m.
We pay taxes for a reason. If they harm someone on their land, who's responsible?
Feb. 24 12:03 p.m.
How can you call this a law when it invades your property and personal rights? DEC BAD.
Feb. 24 11:09 a.m.
You own and pay taxes for your property you have the right to keep it private, laws restrict trespassers from certain rights on property, there should be restrictions for hunting dogs that you do not own. Is there proof seen that these hunting dogs are only chasing coyotes or are there deer poaching included? Dogs do chase deer!
Feb. 24 10:23 a.m.
We bought our land, pay taxes on it, maintain it for our use. Since most dogs can't read, courtesy and common sense on the part of their handlers is most appreciated.
Feb. 24 8:10 a.m.
I'll shoot the bastards if they come on my property and chase deer.
Feb. 23 11:51 p.m.
NO! Respect the land owners they pay big taxes to keep and control their property! Take ur dogs to the thousands of acres of the state's property.
Feb. 23 8:02 p.m.
Hypocritical to have a leash law yet allow an 'outdoor guide' to run dogs with no boundaries.
Feb. 23 7:59 p.m.
That dude needs to stop his whining. Typical snowflake liberal.
Feb. 23 3:55 p.m.
This law is too vague. Plus, what is the property owners' liability?
Feb. 23 3:27 p.m.
Once a dog is on the trail you can't stop them at a person's property line. Let's be sensible about this!
Feb. 23 1:11 p.m.
Your dog comes on my land. Your dogs will die. Easy as that. Oops though it was a coyote. Stay off people's land. I pay the taxes on my property not for your enjoyment.
Feb. 23 12:10 p.m.
The DEC has absolutely no right under the US or NYS constitution(s) to abridge the rights of land owners. This law also sets a precedent for uncontrolled dogs to enter inhabited space and, under excitement of the chase, maul vulnerable individuals (children, elderly, handicapped, etc.)
Feb. 23 11:24 a.m.
Couldn't answer this so called question. Do I agree dogs should be able to legally go where they are not wanted? No. Should the owner be charged with trespassing if they do? Yes. I can see it now,people will have to post "No Hunting Dogs Allowed" signs next to the posted signs.
Feb. 23 11:22 a.m.
If you don't have permission to hunt there, then stay off that property. It's pretty simple
Feb. 23 8:38 a.m.
I think the outdoor guide and his friends are the ones in the wrong here in general.
Feb. 23 8:19 a.m.
Hunting dogs are not the problem. Did they destroy property? No. Bite anyone? No. The problem is whiney landowners.
Feb. 23 7:59 a.m.
I don't like the ideal of hunting with dogs to start with, If and when I see these dogs on my property I'll shout them.
Feb. 23 7:24 a.m.
I understand that dogs do not know property borders, but I feel it is the owner’s responsibility to get the dogs back under control as quickly as possible. If you don't have permission to hunt a particular property, then the dogs and hunters should not be on that property.
Feb. 23 6:26 a.m.
I think it is very important to keep the population of coyotes down. If they increase in population, you will see more attacks on farm animals and also humans. It was not that long ago a young woman was attacked and killed on the Skyline trail in Canada by two coyotes.
Feb. 22 8:30 p.m.
No one knows where the dogs are going to be running coy dogs. That's impossible.
Feb. 22 5:05 p.m.
Private property rights should trump the hunter's rights. Besides, the hunter in the article made the ridiculous statement that coyotes might steal your children. This is the old Big Bad Wolf scenario, and has no relevance in real life. Stay off of my property unless invited to be there!
Feb. 22 3:51 p.m.
Of course not! DEC does not make the laws; it only claims to and has no such actual power.
Feb. 22 2:37 p.m.
This a.m. I had a coyote in my front yard on the St. Lawrence River. There are an over abundance of coyotes. A bounty should be placed on them.
Feb. 22 1:10 p.m.
When hunting with dogs it's always "foreseeable" that dogs will cross onto property where they have no permission to be. Dogs still haven't learned to read NO TRESPASS signs (usually placed too high for dogs to see....LOL). Seriously, if you are aware your dogs aren't to be on someone's property, keep them off, don't keep the problem on high-alert by harrassing the landowner and intentionally running your dogs there. There's no guarantee these same dogs wouldn't run deer while in the area, hopefully not... but always a possibility.
Feb. 22 12:23 p.m.
If you dont have permission to hunt that land then your dog should not be on that land . you are the controller of the animal, so therefor you are held responsible if they go on others land where you dont have permission, and you should be held responsible for the dogs action.
Feb. 22 11:56 a.m.
Absolutely agree. I live out in the country and the coyote hunters are more of an irritation then the coyotes themselves. They park on the road (not pulled off to the side) while tracking their dogs and think they are above the law. If the dogs are in someones backyard or on the back decks of houses, I feel they are no longer "tracking" but just being a nuisance. As for scaring children... if another human did that, they'd be charged and thrown in jail.
Feb. 22 11:24 a.m.
What is the difference? You are a hunter going on to other peoples property, or a dog owner letting your dogs go hunting? I think not that is trespassing no matter what! I am a land owner, do not like coyotes will shoot them my self and for those hunters and dogs well if your dog get shot killed or wounded oh well should have stayed off of my property! You want to hunt, go find public land not mine.
Feb. 22 11:10 a.m.
Why don't I as the landowner have rights to deny people and dogs from my property? I don't care if they are "hunting," if I don't want you here, keep yourself and your animals away. The fact that a neighbor might approve of you being there, doesn't mean I should have to automatically accept you here! It's an invasion, intrusion, denial of rights and a liability! I am 1000% against this law... and for that matter, against anyone's (man or pet) trespassing on my property, hunter or not!
Feb. 22 10:35 a.m.
Not till proof of first toddler dragged into woods by coyote.
Feb. 22 10:28 a.m.
If you are hunting an animal with dogs that travels long distances such as a coyote, it seems common sense that it is "forseeable!"
Feb. 22 9:13 a.m.
As a dog owner (non hunting), I am required by law to have my dog under control at all times... to not be running loose. If my dog goes onto my neighbor's property I can be ticketed. Why should a hunter using dogs be any different? As for hunting coyotes... I think it is a ridiculous sport that is totally not needed. They are predators and are a valuable part of the natural process of wildlife control. The number of deer killed by coyotes in this county are nowhere near the numbers killed by farmers and their nuisance permits, poachers, and other "sportsmen."
Feb. 22 9:01 a.m.
We have three dogs and they only run when hunting season starts but we do pen them during hunting season but when your neighbor is feeding the deer thats when I dogs want to run. They do no harm but the neighbor grows weed on his property so this is why he doesn't want the dogs over there. Mr. Neighbor stop feeding the deer then you wouldn't have this problem and you wouldn't have to worry about the dogs running through your yard!
Feb. 22 8:21 a.m.
The Law states that the dog owner must be in full control of their dog(s) at all times. I myself have kicked Mr. B5BB!] off my property. He states on his website that "he has permision to hunt thousands of acres." A lie. He tells his paid hunters he has permision to hunt all this land. You go out and find people hunting on your property and when you ask what they are doing on it, they state that they have permision to hunt this land because Mr. B... stated so. The next thing you know come fall deer season you have people hunting your land for deer because they think they had permision to hunt it. You kick them off again and again! It Sucks! He has created a lot of enemies! He let's his dogs off on a piece of property of about an acre in size next to your 200 acres and says "Well, I did not let them go on your property, so you can't do anything," which is BS! Not fun having to confront people on your property every year who think they have permision to hunt it do to the "guide" saying so. Another thing, I have personally watched his dogs chase deer and have had to get in between the dogs and the deer to stop such. And yes i have turned him in to the DEC regarding it. They run the deer to exhaustion! This time of the year (February-March) is the hardest on deer, they do not need this consistent harrssment by the dogs running through the woods barking dayin-dayout! And the last thing is that if you see one of these dogs up close, you will see their ribs and other bones! Pathetic! he burns them out and looks like abuse! So no! I want him off my property! He is making money off from land owners without their permission! Besides stopping traffic when they cross a road and shooting from the edge of the road!
Feb. 22 8:14 a.m.
There might be a coyote problem, yes, but that shouldn't make it right for somebody's dogs to run at large on your property. It's not allowed in the city of ogdensburg. There is a dog warden that will ticket you for that offense. Property owners pay the taxes and its there land not coyote hunters land. What gives them the right? No way terrible law that needs to be changed.
Feb. 22 7:46 a.m.
Dogs don't know where property lines are and shouldn't be shot for crosssing onto land where they shouldn't be. There are too many quick triggered who simply say the dog was chasing dear.
Feb. 22 7:08 a.m.
Feb. 22 5:36 a.m.
If the hunter does for see the dogs going on some else's property, which will happen dogs will cover 100's of acres in no time. The hunter should get permission from a jointing land owners.
Feb. 22 5:32 a.m.
It's important to keep in mind that not all coyote hunters share the same opinion as the hunter in this story.
Feb. 21 9:55 p.m.
Allowing dogs to run on lands without the permission of the landowner is trespassing. The land owner may have livestock that could potentially be harassed or worried by these dogs. If that were to happen the landowner is within his rights by law to dispatch the dog. Avoid that scenario and always get permission when you or your dog may enter property or others.
Feb. 21 9:43 p.m.
A classic example of "one bad apple spoils the bunch." The truth of the matter is that the majority of the coyote hunters are extremely responsible and respectable. The majority will ask permission to be on your land long before the dogs have even been let loose. Mr. B is giving the coyote hunters around a bad name. Coyotes need to be managed -- they can hurt the deer population, and even your kill your house pet! Most of the people against coyote hunting would have their minds changed very quickly if fluffy the family pet became a midnight snack right in their own back yard! Generally about once a week we can hear the coyotes about 50 yards from my front door and the next day the hunters are taking care of the problem for me for a few days! I would like to thank all the respectful coyote hunters around the Waddington area that keep my dog safe at night, most of you are welcome to release your dogs in my front yard if you'd like... MOST of you. -- AK
Feb. 21 9:29 p.m.
The sportsman are providing an invaluable service to the North Country. I completely agree that the population must be kept in check. A dog doesn't recognize property lines. These hunters ask for permission, they always respect the wishes/rights of land owners, and they are stewards of the land in their own way. Keep the law as is and use common sense. The hunters should hunt larger tracks of land where they have permission, and avoid starting animals in proximity to landowners who do not want them around. I believe many houndsmen do this already, but it could be reiterated in hunter guidelines.
Feb. 21 9:21 p.m.
Hunting dogs do not understand boundries when following the game they are chasing. The game they are chasing do not understand boundaries either. Making this DEC law easy to understand and agree with.
Feb. 21 9:04 p.m.
I think it's important to control coyote population but the hunters should not sit in truck at end of propery owner's driveway while hunting dogs are running in yard. It's not the dogs fault.
Feb. 21 8:47 p.m.
I use a rolled up NCTW to discipline my dog. I didn't even ask DEC if it was ok to do that.
Feb. 21 8:13 p.m.
Couple of points here both as a land owner and hunter. I allow coyote hunters on my property but they must respect others that don't want them on "their" property. Truth be it known that even with heavy coyote hunting they still are able to sustain a population. Hunters that release their dogs knowing that they will cross "posted" property should be sighted for trespassing. These houndsman all use GPS locator collar and know full well where their dogs are. As always a few bad apples spoil it for every-one.
Feb. 21 7:04 p.m.
I have been coyote hunting for 35 years and have never had a problem with property owners, as I ask for permission from the land owners. I believe if coyote hunting discontinues, it will create many nuisances with residents and their domestic animals. It will also significantly reduce the deer herd.
Feb. 21 6:29 p.m.
If the hunter can't visually observe their dogs at least every few minutes then it should not be allowed. These dogs can go miles and miles, even though they are radio collared the hunter really does not seem to have control until he locates the dog. There are other hunting methods to deal with nuisance coyotes and one might be to open the season year round until the population is down.
Feb. 21 6:16 p.m.
Don't judge all coyote hunters by one bad apple.
Feb. 21 6:12 p.m.
Hunting dogs are hound breeds. They are rarely if ever aggressive toward humans. Dogs when tracking do not understand survey lines. They understand to track that animal! As long as the hunter does not discharge a weapon on posted property there is nothing to be concerned about.
Feb. 21 4:01 p.m.
If it is allowed then how can we hunters be charged?
Feb. 21 3:20 p.m.
If Mr. St. Lawrence Experience and the DEC want to pay my very high taxes, then I will allow him to run his dogs on my property. What about the deer that these dogs disturb? What about respect?
Feb. 21 1:40 p.m.
Idiots. Only New Yorkers would think of something stupid like this -- endangering children and animals with some stray dogs?
Feb. 21 1:14 p.m.
Absolutely not. This law is license to abuse neighbors you want to annoy for some reason or other. A dog on my land that I've not given permission to is not welcome. Not only that but there is not a coyote "problem" except in DEC's fevered mind.
Feb. 21 1:11 p.m.
If you can't control it, you don't own it. Property owner asks you nicely once, so be a responsible dog owner, or you might find you are no longer a dog owner.
Feb. 21 11:08 a.m.
A) my beagles can't read B) have you ever followed a Beagle/Hound "on the run"? Obey the Beagle! Aroooo!
Feb. 21 11:04 a.m.
I have had a dog after my live stock. It killed several of my chickens. I have young children as well. A strange dog on my property will be shot to protect my livestock and children. Control your animals when near farms. There is no reason for that guide to release his dogs knowing they continue to go on a farmer's property and harass his livestock. That is his money. When live stock are stressed, they do not produce milk as well, and the meat will have a gamey taste to it. That guide is jeopardizing the farmer's livelihood and could probably be sued for lost income. If the dogs are wearing radio collars, the owner knew exactly where they had been and should have changed his strategy. Also, it is not his job to control the coyote population. They are a threat to my animals as well, but I will take care of what is on my land. No hunting dogs needed.
Feb. 21 10:26 a.m.
You cant enforce double-sided regulations like that. Same thing applies to hunting deer. If you shoot a deer on your property and it runs over onto private property, it's my understanding that you don't get to recover that deer if the property owner has his land posted and does not want you trespassing. You can call the DEC and have an officer dispatched and he will likely side with you going over to retrieve your deer, but only if the land owner agrees to let you. He has every right to say NO, even to the DEC officer. Another shady area is that the hunting regulations manual specifically states" Dogs are not allowed to run free on lands inhabited by deer."
Feb. 21 9:59 a.m.
Trespassing is trespassing. Animal owners who can't control their animals should be humanely euthanized, and their animals given to better homes.
Feb. 21 9:48 a.m.
I'd much rather have tame, harmless hunting dogs on my land than vicious, hungry, possibly rabid coyotes.
Feb. 21 9:23 a.m.
Who decided that reducing the coyote population is important?
Feb. 21 9:21 a.m.
Need to get rid of some coyotes!! Perhaps the people that aren't affected by the coyotes do not understand the importance of getting their population under control.
Feb. 21 9:21 a.m.
The motivation behind it appears self-serving and gives zealous hunters a loophole for trespassing. Coyotes, like them or not, occupy an important ecological niche. . . Why is it important to kill them? Domesticated dogs can't perceive property boundaries and unless they're killing someone's chickens or harming someone can't they be seen as extensions of the neighbor they belong to? Hunting dogs and their owners dashing behind them with guns running through the back yard with impunity.
Feb. 21 8:33 a.m.
It is my private property -- I pay taxes on it and I am liable for what happens on it. Keep your dogs off it or I will shoot them. If I now have to fear arrest for defending my land, then it won't be reported and they will 'just' come up missing. I might even apply that to snowmobilers who cut fences to illegally cross my fields too.
Feb. 21 8:26 a.m.
I am sorry Mr. Dog Owner but I feared for my life so I shot your dog that was on my property.
Feb. 21 8:12 a.m.
Don’t let me see them on my property, the dogs will be dead ones.
Feb. 21 8:11 a.m.
They should always have permission first.
Feb. 21 8:01 a.m.
Look at your constitution witch is the supreme law of this great land. The DEC doesn’t have the right in the first place to be telling a citizen land owner and taxpayer whether or not a dog (wild or domesticated) has any right to a be on a private citizens land! You only loose your rights when you let your government erroneously convert it to a privilege and issue a license and a fee for it.
Feb. 21 7:36 a.m.
Yes, they should be charged with trespass. They can foresee the path their dogs will take. People with dogs think everyone loves their dogs -- wrong. Keep them home, who wants their waste all over the lawn.
Feb. 21 7:18 a.m.
As a property owner I do not agree with DEC or the owners of the dogs running at large scaring children and animals on landowner’s property. I also have seen rules broke from these hunters breaking the law by shooting across roadways having loaded weapons in vehicles while traveling, and shooting less than 500 feet from an owner’s buildings and homes. Maybe DEC should be riding around an checking on these trespassing, so called hunters and check to see if they are not breaking any hunting rules while they’re trespassing all over everyone's hard earned (tax payer) property!
Feb. 21 6:58 a.m.
All he has to do is stay away from that land owner and don't p--- him off. There's lots of land to hunt. He's just making it bad for us guys that just hunt and don't hunt to p--- land owners off.
Feb. 21 6:44 a.m.
This is a practice that should not be left in the hands of amateurs. A self-appointed vigilante avenging the losses of his parents pets I believe he stated, is certainly not qualified. Based on the articles written thus far this man sounds as though he's a spiteful agitator. He should be ashamed of himself and nothing less than embarrassed for his encounters with this tax paying home owner. DEC does not have my support in these matters.
Feb. 21 6:13 a.m.
If it was me I would shoot the dogs if they come on my land. I live on a farm and I don't see or hear that many coyotes.
Feb. 21 6:09 a.m.
If a property owner has warned an outdoor guide that his dogs are not welcome, every attempt to avoid trespassing should be taken.
Feb. 21 6:04 a.m.
Dog can’t read a map.
Feb. 21 5:56 a.m.
The wording "foreseeable" will allow the DEC agents to use their personal opinions about each situation. Loop holes of this nature allow people, who are personal friends of or have some connection to an agent, to get away with things others will be held accountable for.
Feb. 21 3:03 a.m.
Yes, but could be clarified a bit better.
Feb. 20 11:49 p.m.
DEC law should have to pass thru the three parties of law in N.Y. state.
Feb. 20 9:26 p.m.
Keep your dogs off my property. I keep mine home!
Feb. 20 8:45 p.m.
My land is my land. Simple as that.
Feb. 20 6:45 p.m.
Law or no law, if a dog I do not know comes on my property where my family resides, as well as my own dogs and livestock, that dog will either be put down or taken to the pound as a stray. The fact this resident in the original story was arrested for removing the collar from the dog is complete crap and smells pungently of the effluvium of chronyism. I would almost bet the cop was related to the hunter. And, one more thing, I am a hunter and do run dogs as well, but never on someone's property repeatedly. It takes a real jackwagon to do that. Be responsible and don't ruin it for the rest of us. Finally, I would add that if I have a coyote issue on my land, I will handle it myself, I don't need an amateur dog runner trotting all over my garden with his mutts to take care of it.
Feb. 20 5:49 p.m.
I have seen too much of hunters running dogs on my land. They are there to make money when they sell the fur. Hunters like that give a bad name to all. DEC needs to change the law and the hunters need to hunt areas that have land their dogs can stay on. I have never seen a coyote attack anything other than food in the woods. People can control their own land without unwanted help from poachers and low lifes like that.
Feb. 20 5:48 p.m.
I have dogs, I do not want strange dogs coming onto our property and bothering them. Also, the hunters, with their four-wheelers and guns, are NOT wanted on my property.
Feb. 20 5:30 p.m.
Yes I agree we need to keep coyotes under control, but not all land owners want dogs or people roaming their land and DEC officers do not do their job properly. Maybe they should have a boss up here that knows the law instead of just letting the officers do what they want when they want. They should watch the Alaskan State Troopers or the Main State Gama Cops.
Feb. 20 5:17 p.m.
I don't want somebody else's dogs on my property!
Feb. 20 5:05 p.m.
NO: DEC is not responsible for making or interpreting law! Coyotes don't seem to be anything near the problems DEC is making them out to be. The DEC deciding dogs can go anywhere, including Posted and Private lands, against the landowner's wishes, is totally unacceptable. They need to stop encouraging this sort of action by seeming to usurp the law-making process in a manner that goes against the ownership rights and privileges of land owners in a way that endangers people's pets, children, livestock, and the general public all at once. These "dogooders" causing all the trouble are good evidence that people will use any straw they can find in order to carry out their own perverse and unfair and lawless attitudes. I have heard that many people have sworn to shoot any such dogs inside the bounds of legal fences of any privately owned land. DEC is really looking for trouble and so are these phony dogooders.
Feb. 20 5:01 p.m.
Without a doubt, you have people who think they can get away with anything, when they drop off dogs when they know the land is posted on both sides of the road. What does that tell you.
Feb. 20 4:55 p.m.
We certainly would not want hunting dogs coming on our property. We have cats and they roam the property. I'm sure these dogs would like to hunt them down. I think the DEC needs to change their regulations.
Feb. 20 4:54 p.m.
With the rabies epidemic the way it is in St. Lawrence County, if a hunter wants to run his dogs on my property for coyotes, coons, skunks, etc. God love him.
Feb. 20 4:49 p.m.
So which is smarter: the stupid outdoor guide or his dogs? I think the DEC figures the guide is, but hey, the dogs get away with it, so let's give them a little credit! The guide ought to be subjected to a few hours of disruption from noisy kids at 3 a.m., or some similar pain he is inflicting. So does anyone agree that the coyotes don't need to be chased down and hunted, or does he just get a pass on his killing and maiming activity? Where is the SPCA or PETA on this issue? Big questions that need answers from NCN!
Feb. 20 4:06 p.m.
How can you "foresee" where the coyotes have gone and the dogs will follow! The DEC can't have its cake and eat it too!
Feb. 20 3:55 p.m.
Absolutely not. If any dogs are on my land they usually do not leave. Been there before and I will do the same.
Feb. 20 3:46 p.m.
If my name is on the deed, and I pay the taxes, I suggest getting my permission first. Yes, I agree there is a coyote problem, but I also feel there is a "entitlement" problem with many people. What's mine is not yours regardless of this law. Hunting dogs are expensive, one would hate to see any come up missing.
Feb. 20 3:35 p.m.
Very confusing issue. The DEC needs to be more clear on their stipulations.
Feb. 20 3:26 p.m.
There should be open season on coyotes all year round. If a land owner does not want the dogs on his property they should be kept off. Good luck with getting DEC officers to respond.
Feb. 20 3:05 p.m.
I guess I will just let my dogs run all over the place. Then we can just say that they are controlling the yotes.
Feb. 20 3:02 p.m.
How dare a hunter use his dogs to hunt on people's property whether they allow it or not
Feb. 20 2:57 p.m.
Agree with it? I don't even understand it. I know that dogs do not know where property boundaries are but shouldn't the hunter? Towns have ordinances about dogs being leashed. That's the law, not DEC opinion.
Feb. 20 2:50 p.m.
Keep the dogs off my property Trump Lover!
Feb. 20 2:37 p.m.
Property owner should have handled the canine trespassing problem himself.
Feb. 20 2:20 p.m.
My land. Keep you and your animals off it. Sounds like another case of the good ole boy North Country. I would wonder who the hunter is friends with.
Feb. 20 2:03 p.m.
Running dogs on someone else's land should always be illegal. There is no coyote threat here. If a dog is running on your property you should be free to shoot it.
Feb. 20 1:44 p.m.
They could be running deer. Also private is private property. If they were on my property I would have no problem in shooting them. His little boy was scared to go outdoors to play. Since when do we have to put up with unwanted things on our property. There are many people that are afraid of dogs and don't want them on their property. I'm a dog lover. I don't want someone or something on my property that is not invited. Owners should be charged in this event. I don't trust some of the hunters that might be illegally taking game. The hunters were bold enough to let the dogs out on his property. Wrong just wrong.
Feb. 20 1:41 p.m.
This "law" is worded very poorly and the concept is even hard to pin down. It is difficult to "foresee" where dogs will run! They probably should not be running/hunting around posted land or land that is pasturing farm animals. It would seem the point of this rule is that hunting should be confined to the forest where there is no posted property and dogs can run freely during hunting as they are meant to?
Feb. 20 1:33 p.m.
I will put a pellet or BB in to any dog that is repeatedly on my property harassing my dog or kids. Anyone who runs dogs should have a tracking system on them as well as ways to identify whose property they are on.
Feb. 20 1:23 p.m.
Homeowners should have the right to keep unwanted dogs off their property.
Feb. 20 11:24 a.m.
We purchase and pay taxes so we can own our land. If someone doesn't want you or your dogs on their land then you shouldn't be trespassing regardless of what the DEC thinks is right. They don't pay our land taxes. What if someone was hurt by trespassing our land? Is the DEC the one to sue? Plus maybe I don't like anyone hunting on my land. I enjoy our wildlife and yes even the coy dogs. What's the difference too many people out hunting the deer for a trophy or a coy dog doing it for food?
Feb. 20 11:10 a.m.
Dogs can chase humans with no consequences, but will be shot chasing deer.
Feb. 20 11:08 a.m.
No dogs on my land for any reason. They will be shot.
Feb. 20 11:02 a.m.
This law is far too open to interpretation and is so flexible it would be difficult to ever be charged with because there is no way to prove whether it was "foreseeable," or if they were intentionally released where not allowed. There are 3 million children bitten by dogs every year, only a handful of coyote bites, mostly out West. Reducing coyote population is NOT important, it is this guy's own personal opinion and prerogative.
Feb. 20 10:47 a.m.
People don't realize that it is nearly impossible to know: a) where a dog is in relation to property lines when it is running a coyote. b) it is nearly impossible to pull that dog off a coyote when they are in pursuit. If that info would be put out, it may make more sense to landowners.
Feb. 20 10:25 a.m.
If the dogs cross my fences where my livestock are. Shoot them to protect my livestock. So much for private property rights. Why do we pay taxes on our land if others can use it free or charge.
Feb. 20 10:24 a.m.
The DEC has no right to tell me whether or not I should permit hunting dogs to run on my land. I will seek to charge anyone who hunts on my land without my permission or anyone who allows their dogs to run on my land without my permission. The DEC is not known for clear thinking on most matters relating to hunting, fishing or trapping. I have the right to walk my woods without being afraid of rogue hunters or their dogs and I have the right to want the flora and fauna on my land to be free of damage and incursion caused by idiots who hunt coyotes. Hunters have already decimated the deer population and done so with DEC's blessings. Now they want to eliminate coyotes which are an important part of the natural food chain. DEC officials need an education!
Feb. 20 10:05 a.m.
All dogs should be under the control of the owner and why pay taxes if anyone can do what they want with our land. We pay taxes but we do not own our land. It can be taken away at any time. Another government control over "We The People!"
Feb. 20 10:00 a.m.
DEC has no business interfering with property owners’ land.
Feb. 20 9:52 a.m.
That is double-speak! I do not want hunting dogs on my property, I am elderly and want to walk around my land. I don't want to encounter a pack of dogs when I do so! I might be in more danger from a pack of hunting dogs than a coyote.
Feb. 20 9:49 a.m.
Private property rights trump all. Especially with the taxes we pay in Northern New York. Let's just dissolve the DEC!
Feb. 20 9:25 a.m.
It is impossible to foresee the future, so the law protects the hunter.
Feb. 20 9:12 a.m.
Some of the people moving into this area come from the cities and have the 'MINE' attitude. Twenty to 30 years ago you never heard of this whining while running your dogs. Wait till one of these coyotes attack a young child and chews them up, then maybe these greedy people with a pocket full of money will wake up.
Feb. 20 9:11 a.m.
This question is so ambiguously worded that I am not sure if I am supposed to check yes or no. However I am very clear about my opinion -- land owners in New York pay very high taxes and their rights supersede the rights of some greedy hunter. The audacity to act as though he is doing a public service by letting his attack dogs run free?!
Feb. 20 9:09 a.m.
There is so much wrong with this law that I don't know where to begin. As it is now, it is OK for his dogs to run anywhere they want but he could shoot my dog if it went on his property for allegedly running deer. He knows 100% that his dogs are going to go on unauthorized property every time he lets them go. The coyotes and the dogs do not recognize property boundaries. I am not opposed to hunting, but this is not "hunting." These guys sit in their heated trucks drinking coffee, or other things, while their dogs run all over creation disturbing people and wildlife. Then they go out and shoot a cornered coyote. How exciting is that? Coyotes are not "vicious." In general they are very aloof. They primarily hunt rodents and are scavengers. There are not that many of them either. Go out and walk for a full day in the woods and fields of St. Lawrence County and tell me how many coyotes you see. I'll bet you never see a one. If you eliminate them you will see a lot more rodents and rabbits.
Feb. 20 9:03 a.m.
It's nice to know there are people with nothing more important to worry about than this.
Feb. 20 9:00 a.m.
People should ask before hand if their dogs can go across the land and is not they should be under control and routed around the area. I would be very concerned the hunting dogs may cause damage or harm to my land or animals or family. If I owned hunting dogs they would be in my line of sight the whole time and strictly under my control.
Feb. 20 8:54 a.m.
If a property owner does not want dogs on their land then they should have to stay off. Simple as that!
Feb. 20 8:50 a.m.
Any dog that came onto my property would either be caught and turned over to the shelter or chased off in some manner.
Feb. 20 8:43 a.m.
All depends on if you want coyotes killing deer, rabbits and so no and so forth. Man has upset the natural turn of events between Prey and Predator so all is out of balance. If the wolves and big cats are allowed back there will be less problems all around.
Feb. 20 8:43 a.m.
Those dogs will just pass on thru that property the same as any other transient animal and most likely wouldn't even bother unless they are on a trail. I can see this as being a big problem if this was to occur during any of the legal deer seasons, or if there was any harassing of a property owners livestock or family pets.
Feb. 20 8:36 a.m.
Simply put, the owner of the dog has noted publicly that the dogs will run many miles circling on and off property that he is not authorized to hunt on. With that admission he now violates the DEC law as it is foreseeable that his dogs could wander onto property he is not allowed to hunt on, the question now is why is he not being charged with trespassing each and every time his dogs go on property they are not allowed to go onto? I do think the DEC is overstepping a bit as they are clearly saying a hunting dog is allowed to go on your property with no reprecussions. So what happens if that dog unearths something illegal. Now is this considered an illegal search or is it due to this being a civilian sending the dogs it is a loop hole to allow the DEC to trespass?
Feb. 20 8:32 a.m.
Leave the beagles alone.
Feb. 20 8:30 a.m.
Yes. As long as the running dogs are hunting coyotes.
Feb. 20 8:20 a.m.
It is never foreseeable to know which way a coyote is going to run. And even if it is, why would the hunter admit it to a DEC officer.
Feb. 20 8:15 a.m.
I voted yes, but admit that my attitude may be affected by living within a village so hunting dogs are not going to cross onto my property.
Feb. 20 8:11 a.m.
DEC should not be making laws. That power is reserved for our legislators and DEC has gone way too far. And what threat are the coyotes? Leave them be.
Feb. 20 7:53 a.m.